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 on: Today at 09:46:26 AM 
Started by Ansis - Last post by Delgirrrl
Hey Ansis
Just a word of warning if you do decide to import a seat. As Bonnie has said, the seat won't be legal for use in NZ.  Personally I decided to import anyway, because my 2yo is right on the border of being too big for a maxi-rider II, (so can't use extended harnessing either, as he's too tall for the shoulder slots as well as 18kg),and it's important to me that he stays in a 5-pt harness. 

But here's the thing.  The seat, a Britax Frontier, (which has a maximum weight of 36 kg harnessed), cost about $270 US.  Cheapest postage available was $260 US (don't be fooled by postage quotes for the weight alone, its the SIZE of the box that adds cost).  AND if Customs sees the seat on the way in to NZ, there can be a duty charge of 23%.  So, not only do you have a seat that's not legal, but you may end up paying a good NZ$800+ for it!  So you'd probably only want to do this as an absolute last resort.

If you are able to take it as baggage on the plane, obviously you may be able to avoid some of these costs, but you might want to check with the airline first, as you may need to pay additional baggage costs.

Cheers!

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 on: July 02, 2008, 06:03:10 PM 
Started by Glenfelik - Last post by Bonnie
Hiya

You're definitely right to delay a booster for as long as possible (or at least till your DD is four)!

There's more info on harnessing children 18kg++ on this page http://www.childrestraintsafety.com/extended-harnessing.html though I do suggest you read the Britax Bulletin on car seats here: http://www.childrestraintsafety.com/downloads/britaxbulletin.pdf

Other then the information in the above two links, there's not much else I can tell you to be honest. Though, there is a seat coming in to the country some time this year called the Compass True Fit. It rear-faces to 15.9kg but forward-faces to 29.5kg. I've been fortunate enough to have a little play with it and it's really quite  nice and very easy to adjust the harness height. It might be something to look at, depending on how quickly and how heavy your DD gets!

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 on: July 02, 2008, 03:15:09 PM 
Started by Glenfelik - Last post by Glenfelik
I need help!

My DD has only just turned 2 this week and is almost 17kg already.  She is also very tall.

We currently have a S n S Guardian and the maximum weight is 18kg.

What other harness type carseats can we use?  I don't really want to put her into a booster as she is far too young for that carry on!!

I am not worried if it is an expensive carseat as I just want her to be safe!

We have anchor bolts etc installed as it is a new car.

But can't seem to find any carseats that will go over 18kg.

We have #2 due in 2 weeks, we have a capsule for them, but we would have had to of bought a new carseat for them anyway, so this way it makes more sense.

Any suggestions Bonnie??
Thanks in advance!
Angela

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 on: July 01, 2008, 09:33:27 PM 
Started by bonniesmumma - Last post by Bonnie
Hiya

You can contact me here http://www.childrestraintsafety.com/contact-us/contacts/bonnie-smith.html

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 on: July 01, 2008, 09:08:17 PM 
Started by bonniesmumma - Last post by bonniesmumma
hi bonnie its jazzy (dadto2 on the TMMB) here im wonting to get ahold of you is there any way i can do this?  Smiley

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 on: June 30, 2008, 03:03:59 PM 
Started by Ansis - Last post by Bonnie
Hi Ansis

You'll unfortunately find that no car seat you buy in the states is able to *legally* be used here. Additionally, the american Recaro Young Sport and the one that's sold here, are both different. But in any case, as above, it can't be used here.

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 on: June 30, 2008, 12:44:00 PM 
Started by Ansis - Last post by Ansis
My almost-three year old daughter is about to outgrow her current car seat and instead of getting her a new one here I'd like to buy one over the internet from Canada or the States and have it waiting for us when we arrive there for a long visit in a month or so - then bring it back with us when we come home.  My problem is that not only are most of the brands and seats different in the various countries, but I'm not sure what's approved for use here.  Does anyone have any advice?

I've been looking at seats here and have narrowed it down to either the Maxi-Rider II or the Recaro Young Sport, except of course the Young Sport is incredibly expensive.  I was quite excited to find (apparently) the same seat for sale for US$170 or something like that, plus shipping to Canada, but is it actually the same?  The description sounds identical but I'd hate to spend around NZ$420 all up and then find out that it's not approved here.

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 on: June 23, 2008, 11:55:46 AM 
Started by Laura - Last post by Bonnie
For the benefit of others that may be reading this.. the "ratings" come from this file here:

http://testfakta.se/img/2007/5/28/13864.pdf

At the top of the page under the pictures of the car seats where it says 3 199, 2 895, 3 990, etc etc, that's actually the price in kronors, swedish currency (SEK).

Under that, it says Fram, Och or Baksäte. Fram means FRONT, Och means AND and Baksäte means BACK SEAT. I think in that file only the Britax Fixway can be installed in the back seat, all those others can be both.

Under the title "Krocksäkerhet (påfrestningar på barnet vid kollision)" which is obviousy the "crash test" ratings there are some comments at the bottom of that section for each seat. The comments are:

Besafe Izikid - Seat intact on all essential part after collision. Protected/secured child excellently.

Brio Zento - Chair split between seat and back.

Britax Fixway - Seat intact on all essential part after collision. High strain on childs neck and back of neck.

Volvo barnstol - Seat intact on all essential part after collision. High strain on childs head and back of neck.

Britax Nordic Secura 02 - Seat intact on all essential part after collision. High strain on childs chest.

Akta Cosmic XTP - Footing released and the car seat hurled/flinged out of the vehicle seat.

Akta Duo XTP - Footing broke and the car seat hurled/flinged out of the vehicle seat. Support leg pushed into chair with risk of direct contact with.. (translation hard, assumed meant direct contact with child)

So as you can see, the Brio Zento actually faired pretty well compared to every other seat except for the Besafe Izikid which did particularly well. And although it broke, it doesn't really matter, the main thing was that it did the job, and it did the job effectively without any danger to the child (note high strains on head/neck/chests for other seats).

As for the crash test ratings. The Akta seats have been "disqualified" from the ratings list because they were viewed as being so terrible that they didn't include them.

    * The Brio Zento rated 2nd best (first being the Besafe) for protection of the head
    * 3 seats got a rating of 2.0 (the highest score) and two seats got a rating of 1.0 for protection of the back of the neck/neck. The Brio Zento got a 2.0 so that's pretty good.
    * For chest ratings. 1 seat got a 5.0, 2 seats got a 4.0 1 seat got a 3.0 and 1 seat got a 2.0. The Brio Zento got a 3.0 so out of the five seats we have ratings for, it was #4 out of 5 seats.
    * I think the last rating is an overall crash rating. For which the Brio Zento came 2nd, after the Besafe.

A little more info on the seats..

Besafe Izikid - Only RF to 18kg

Brio Zento - RF to 25kg

Britax Fixway - Only RF to 18kg.

Volvo barnstol - Only RF to 18kg.

Britax Nordic Secura 02 -
RF to 25kg

Akta Cosmic XTP - 0 - 25 kg. HOWEVER it is only approved up till 18 kg in the backseat. If you want to use it to 25 kg, then you must use it in the front seat rested against the dash. And of course, if you have airbags, then this is impossible.

Akta Duo XTP - Only RF to 18kg.

So obviously the only two that RF to 25kg and are really worth getting (that were listed on the pdf file) are the Brio Zento and the Britax Nordic Secura. As you know, the Brio Zento you can go pick up (and be shown how to install it) for $549. You also wont have any problems getting parts like an extra set of the lower tethers (which sucks because I really need an extra set for the seat I imported, but I'm too cheap to part with $100+++ to buy them and have them shipped over! where as they're only $30-$40 for a set for the Brio). Now the Nordic Secura, you're probably looking at about $600 NZD for the seat itself and then on top of that, easily another couple of hundred dollars just to get it here, maybe even more (it's a heavy seat).

That all said, the funny thing is these "tests" were apparently commissioned by BeSafe (whom you will see, have the highest safety rating in that article). In any case though, the Brio is still 2nd. Another thing, the majority of these seat were installed incorrectly in the first place. If they were installed correctly, I bet ALL of them which faired pretty appallingly in the article, would have done much better.

I'd kind of akin this "testing" to the Consumer reports in the US, who have come under HUGE scrutiny (especially last year) for failing almost every single seat they tested, they soon had to retract their "findings" as they'd made great errors when testing.

The following is a quote from Robert Bell. Robert has 30 years of experience in child restraint safety in the Swedish, European and American markets. Robert has also helped develop many of the car seats that are sold in Sweden such as the Akta Graco, Britax, Maxi-Cosi and Brio. He's also a member of the Swedish Safety Standards committee who discuss and develop standards.

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"But which carseat is the safest" is of course a question we often get asked.  We've put this question to "Statens Vag och Transportforsknings institut" (ie the Swedish Road and Crash Institute) VTI, which is the body in Sweden who performs the crash tests of child restraints.  VTI says that there are no particular differences between the safety of the different brands, even if manufacturers sometimes states that their particular product is superior to others.  A child restraint that has passed the ECE certification for rear-facing has been tested through a very comprehensive and demanding program.  The different brands certainly have different strengths, however all in all from a safety perspective they are considered equal.

We meet parents on a daily basis that have heard from a sales person that a certain brand or model is "best in test" or the "only one to choose from a safety perspective".  We have to time and time again explain that the standards are incredibly tough to pass.

(and then referring to the "tests")

This was an extreme type of test, testing it at 50% higher Gs (ie 38G instead of the 25G required to pass the standard) (15kg dummy).

Apart from extreme Gs all seats were installed freestanding, ie no support against dashboard or front seat.  This freestanding test is used in the standard just because it does expose the carseats for extreme loads.  However most parents do not even install seats freestanding, but resting against the interior of the car which gives support and increases the strength of the carseat.

Conclusion; freestanding extreme G tests may be of some interest, however lacks relevance for children's safety in Swedish rear-facing carseats.

Our view is clear and is shared by all carseat experts in Sweden that correctly installed rear-facing seats are by far superior from a safety perspective both in frontal and side impacts.  No authorities have criticized the child restraints that "performed unfavourably in the consumer tests" nor have they revoked any certifications as a result.

The Director of the Swedish Road Administration emphasizes that carseats that had cracks during the extreme test are not dangerous.

Besides, this test is a few years old now. Smiley

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 on: June 22, 2008, 06:53:53 PM 
Started by Laura - Last post by Bonnie
Yup, I've looked in to loads of other RF Swedish seats. I have a Britax Two Way Elite I imported from Norway over a year ago now. We use our two Brio Zento's as main car seats now and the Britax Two Way Elite is a "spare" (i.e. for the babysitter).

What would you like to know about others? There's quite a few, though some only rear-face to 18kg. About a handful rear-face to 25kg.

And what do you mean by "score"?

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 on: June 22, 2008, 03:38:47 PM 
Started by Laura - Last post by Laura
hey bonnie, im just doing some reasearch of other rf swedish seats.
have you looked into any others?
there seem to be a few that score higher than the zento?

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